SONGSOPTOK: What
is your earliest memory about being a girl?
PATRICIA: It will be unfair if I talk
about one. Each day we live, we understand something new about society and
being a girl. One of the best ones though is when I was studying mass
communication in a prestigious girl’s college in 2010 (would not name the
college), I realized why a feminist society (equality between men and women) is
going to remain a dream until women start supporting their peers (and I do not
mean radical feminism). I asked one of my professors as to why women tend get
averse to other women without even getting to know them (this was new to me)
and she said it is because they view each other as threats. I did not
understand it then and my understanding of their weird and awkward vibe is
still developing, but I have come to believe that it is because women (in
general) do not tend to be tolerant of the virtue of independence. Our society
needs to teach girls to be independent, that it is not a crime to stay
unmarried, or having a boyfriend or husband is no emancipation. If we stop
looking at each other as threats and learn to understand our peer’s
perspective, we might attain the pinnacle where people will look at each other
as friends (or acquaintances) rather than some plastic commodities to be
won or bought.
SONGSOPTOK: Do you remember any
incident(s) from your childhood where you witnessed gender discrimination? What
are your thoughts about that? Do you think gender discrimination starts right
through our home? A lot of studies indicate that the gender segregation starts
in school. What is your experience?
PATRICIA: I had a guardian as my
mother’s job would not allow her to spend much time with us. The guardian does
not live with us now. When we were children, she used to admonish me at every
other thing I did. Be it playing with guys or crying because I got my period.
It was stupid then, and it is stupid now. But I have come to understand why she
did that. And to put it gently, she did not know of another way to raise
children.
I do not think gender discrimination starts at home. Come to
think of it, why would parents discriminate between their children? It does
start at school though. “You run/hit like a girl”, “you want a date to the
movie, start acting like a girl”, “guys play cricket, not girls” or “girls are
always good at art”, “girls should not act this way”, “good girls do this,
that”etc. We have to destroy these stereotypes.
SONGSOPTOK: Now going on to college /
university – what according to you were the advantages / disadvantages of being
a woman? Do you think that women were treated fairly by the educational
institutions? We would like to know your
own experiences.
PATRICIA: Oh! This question is a
tough one for me. Yes, I was treated unfairly in many situations. Men do not
consider a woman’s opinion legitimate. To them, it’s a woman trying to get laid
either with the teacher or the richest guy in class. If you are sexy and reveal
a little bit of your body and you challenge men, they will try to dominate you
in bed. Take control of your life. If you are a woman in academia, you are
destined to be ignored if you aren’t married to your sugar daddy. This is
especially true of situations where the woman wants to earn her perks rather
than sleeping with the ‘messiah’. I know many such academicians and it’s a pity
that their talent is not recognized.
I don’t think like a radical feminist but rationality is a
virtue that is not defined by gender. Come to think of it, how many philosophers we read about are women?
Their stories are lost. Its crazy. Outrageous.
SONGSOPTOK: A
lot has been written about the unsafe environment in India for women,
especially on public transports. What is your personal experience?
PATRICIA: I travel in public
transport only as I have no traffic sense. Its been very pleasant. I make
friends in metros, buses, autos. I never had anyone molest me and I suppose I
have been lucky in that regard. But I do believe that if someone tries to lay
his dick on the back of your hips, you should twist his dick and shove it up
his ass.
SONGSOPTOK: According
to you, to what extent is the patriarchal society in India, responsible for the
status of women? How does it works, evolves and shapes the individual woman.
PATRICIA: Does this question really
need an answer? ;) Indian society is patriarchal. It’s a well-known fact. It’s
weirdly engraved in our DNA. I suggest to every woman I know, fight it. Break
the rules and then laugh in their face. If they rape you, try to destroy you,
fight them and still be strong enough to know that it is not the end of the
world.
We, women, should NOT conform to any set rules, especially with
regards to our physical structures. DO NOT WAX if you don’t like it. DO NOT GO
FOR A BIKINI WAX, DO NOT GET MANI-PEDI, DO NOT WAX THAT MOUSTACHE, if you don’t
feel like it. A man who loves you, will love you irrespective of this crap. GET
OVER IT. LOVE YOURSELF. If women want freedom, they have to snatch it.
Patriarchy wont give it to us. Men still think hymen of the woman is the honor
of the family. To be brutally honest, that is seriously fucked up.
Men are free to be polygamous, to be animals, to use women like
tissue papers. DON’T LET THEM DO IT. We have to teach our daughters to
respect themselves. And our sons, to respect women. To compete with them, not
to view them as plastic dolls to be played with.
SONGAOPTOK: Do you think that social
status (caste, class, affluence) plays a significant role in how women are
treated in India and elsewhere? Are
there significant differences in the status of women in India & the
developed countries of Europe and America? If so, then to what extent?
PATRICIA: I believe people are the
same everywhere. A woman is an object of pleasure. It’s an add on if she gets
drunk and smokes her way into your bed. But in India, it is especially weird. I
don’t know if caste plays a role but class does. A man from a renowned MNC (won’t
name it here), offered me 300 pounds to sleep with him for one night on a
social network. It was stupid and he got one from me and so did his wife. Affluence
is another interesting factor. I won’t comment on it because I don’t have much
experience but I know some BDSM addicted sadistic rich dicks and I think it’s a
case for a psychiatrist to deal with, not me.
If I were to suggest something to get rid of this difference in
treatment, I would say castration is one of the best solutions. You discriminate,
you lose your dick. Simple and workable. Fear controls men and women alike.
Over a period of time, it will disappear. I am very sure.
SONGSOPTOK: Would
you say that in the urban areas, there is equal treatment of women in the
workplace? Are women given the same opportunities as men? Has the situation
evolved compared to the earlier generation? If so, then how? What are the
mechanism and the dynamics of the changes!
PATRICIA: Nope,
nothing has changed. It’s the same. Only now, they want women to show their
bodies to attract business.
SONGSOPTOK: Has the position
and status of women evolved at home compared to your mother’s generation? Do
women today have more decision-making power within the family structure? Can
you explain your answer? Yes, in the Indian context!
PATRICIA: I grew up in a female dominated household. I don’t know if I am
the correct person to answer it, but I don’t think much has changed.
SONGSOPTOK: According to you,
what needs to be done to improve the situation of women not only in India but
all over the world? How can women contribute – at home, at work, at social
& political levels? How can they establish the right equilibrium between
the state power and feminism because state power is basically patriarchal in nature?
PATRICIA: FUCK RULES and help each other in becoming successful. Give
up marriage, but have kids. Do not give in to any rule of the society or state
that asks you to compromise with your freedom even a bit. It will take
years for the feminist movement to be successful, but if we want our daughters
to live in a socially egalitarian society, we have to make this sacrifice.
Write books, anecdotes, teaching everyone about how objectifying someone is a
disease (be it a man or a woman or a homosexual). We have to help each other in
condemning rules altogether. A kind of white blackmail men cant resist. As I
mentioned earlier, they are scared, insecure creatures. We want our daughters
to live safely, happily, freely; we have to scare them to death. Not all men
are patriarchs, but the patriarchs rule and they have to be thrown into a
scenario equivalent to a graveyard.
SONGSOPTOK: Violence
against women is a global problem today that manifests itself in different
forms in different societies. And the problem seems to be growing every day in
spite of preventive measures. What, in your opinion, should be the priority
especially in India? How do you see the role of the civil society in this
context? Do you think women are still marginalised in our civil society, which
is the actual stumbling block to advance further or making any significant
improvement?
PATRICIA: In my opinion, the concept of civil society is bullshit. When I
first read about it in college, I knew what a farce it was. I am making a
demarcation between activists and civil society here. If women want change,
they have to change. GIVE UP SOPHISTICATION. Be brutal, savage like. And be
gentle only to each other. You know about the bro-code? Have you ever thought
why there isn’t anything like a sis-code? Do you know why women in one family
engage in a rat race to prove that their family is better and men don’t? Think
about it. And you have the answer. Being sophisticated is the stumbling
block.
SONGSOPTOK: What are your personal views on women’s empowerment? What should be
the priorities here (economic / social / cultural/ educational….) especially in
the context of our patriarchal society where women are considered to be the
reproduction machine denied of dignity and liberty?
PATRICIA: I believe cultural-> social->educational->economic.
This should start at the domestic and community level. We have to teach our
daughters and peers to vote for rationality in their personal and social lives.
Its equivalent to setting up an ‘academy’ for them but it’s a significant step
from kitty parties and on-the-cot discussions to a proper platform of
transforming the narrative of rationality to a daily occurrence.
SONGSOPTOK: Do you think the
situation of women can evolve in the years to come? What is your vision for the
future?
PATRICIA: I think it should evolve but I am not going to live to see it
(and I am 23). I don’t know if it will ever happen considering how opinionated
people are in this area. But I envision a society where women and men
compete as equals. Sex is a celebration of love and the word gender no longer
exists in the dictionary.
[PATRICIA. AT PRESENT LIVING IN LONDON]